I've been removing unoriginal images. I think we shouldn't rip images from now on anymore, unless it's mere scientific data (i.e. galaxies, dinosaurs, etc.), but races and tech should have original images unless that tech already exists. Also moved some post-PS stuff to talk pages so that non-users can't see them, since we should start moving towards the pre-PS time now and start from there.
Everyone should also do any and all pre-PS articles first, those should be the top priority. The more info we have at hand once we get down to the episodes the better. All post-PS stuff should be subject-to-change. Preferably move the info to the talk pages so it won't spoil any future visitors.
--Mad Gigerdi 2 16:19, 6 Jun 2009 (EEST)
Edited out the Bacterians as they are mostly just a minor player at the moment. Even UCP and Folans are more involved.
--Mad Gigerdi 2 14:59, 3 Jun 2009 (EEST)
Btw, is it possible to get some sort of index here similar to:
- Mad Gigerdi Jr.
image post of the day
- www.innerfilth.com/tcash/forum-stuff/images/sa/fuckyes/40801.jpg yeah baby yeah.
- -Shok 43 09:28, 5 May 2007 (EEST)
well, the "main" Peace Station storyline (and the entire reason the Peace Station was created, the First Bacterian War) pretty much revolves around the Bacterians and "the three major starpowers" so removing them from the intro doesn't make much sense unless you rewrite the whole thing - there's no "now" since the story doesn't happen chronologically
- Shok 45 19:25, 2 Jul 2009 (EEST)
hate to tell you this but talk pages are visible to everyone.
- Shok 45 19:45, 2 Jul 2009 (EEST)
suggest you stop restructuring the articles to match some chronological viewpoint as this is as much (or indeed, more) a memorybank for us to remember what was going on, if there's new material that contradicts old facts these can be changed later, not the other way around. Maybe move on the PSA and start fleshing out scripts or something, that's productive work - this is definitely not.
- Shok 45 19:52, 2 Jul 2009 (EEST)
Personally I'm more writing all pre-PS stuff now since before any PS episodes can be actually written we should have the entire backstory ready, otherwise it can be problematic. I do have to admit that doing any editing on post-PS stuff is too early at this point yeah, but I just kind of ended up doing some of it.
And I do agree on the memorybank thing, that's why I'm trying to get all the post-PS stuff fixed now that there's a good opportunity. I'm not doing any stories before I can get all the backstories together. Though I do consider Harbinger a priority, PSE/A is something I can do when I'm not at home though, in case you're wondering.
Any chance to get the talk pages not visible for non-users? Doubt that we get any outside visitors anyway though, but that might change with Harbinger. Guess the editing requiring login fooled me with that.
Oh and yeah, it would be good to start proceeding with the story chronologically, since we got small amount of stuff just here and there, but nothing concentrated on any one period. So starting the story from the PS would be good and rewriting the lore as we progress and when necessary. Or at least that's what I'm going to do now.
And we do really need more backstory and more character on Bacterians. They should be a major player, but right now they only got wars. I have no idea how to write any Bacterian characters, unless they are simple warmongers or somethin'. Since Turkka doesn't seem to be interested in doing them anymore then I guess either you or Dalleer has to start doing the Bacterians.
That sure was some wall of text, but should explain some of my current viewpoints.
--Mad Gigerdi 2 20:04, 4 Jul 2009 (EEST)
guess I'll reply to this too
- And I do agree on the memorybank thing, that's why I'm trying to get all the post-PS stuff fixed now that there's a good opportunity. I'm not doing any stories before I can get all the backstories together. Though I do consider Harbinger a priority, PSE/A is something I can do when I'm not at home though, in case you're wondering.
again you're being really contradictory here, Harbinger is definitely "post-PS" and has no bearing on the main PS storyline so why is it different from any of the other post-PS stuff, and yeah you should focus on that instead of rewriting stuff that has always been with the PS canon
- Any chance to get the talk pages not visible for non-users? Doubt that we get any outside visitors anyway though, but that might change with Harbinger.
the answer is no and it's really not relevant to anything, no-one's reading these pages and if they are, their interest in PS can only increase, not decrease because of some "spoilers" they might get on these pages, the main purpose of the PSE is to provide interesting details of the universe to any potential readers
- So starting the story from the PS would be good and rewriting the lore as we progress and when necessary.
exactly: when necessary, rewriting it before anything new has been written is just retarded, which is what you're doing now
- And we do really need more backstory and more character on Bacterians. They should be a major player, but right now they only got wars. I have no idea how to write any Bacterian characters, unless they are simple warmongers or somethin'.
agreed here but Dalleer already wrote a Bacterian even if it was a stereotypical villain, and I have a backstory for Paavo Bakteeri so really, we're perfectly capable of handling it, there's no need to downplay the bacterians because of a lack of writer
- Shok 45 23:53, 4 Jul 2009 (EEST)
The movies are kinda problematic. As you know Harbinger wasn't supposed to be part of the lore at all. Just a movie based in PS universe without actually taking place there. Since it became an official story it did create some problems yeah. Nemesis and Prophecy are even further into the future. The good thing is, however, that neither really shows any details about any of the events. Sure Lightness war, IPA, Section 18, the Resistance are mentioned, but no big details. I'm fairly certain those events will occur albeit differently than originally. Kinda too late to change those movies too, although I wouldn't mind doing a remake of Harbinger.
And I do suppose we want to actually get that movie out someday, it has no huge value to the PS story, it was never supposed to have, but rather a way to get some of this stuff to the public. Since for that a movie really is far superior way than written stories. Just because it has no huge story value doesn't mean I'm gonna stop making it, although I wouldn't mind any help with the 3D animation. It's still the biggest and best projects we've ever had, would be far better if it were actually ready.
"exactly: when necessary, rewriting it before anything new has been written is just retarded, which is what you're doing now "
Actually it's quite the opposite. Since I'm in the process of rewriting the Folan and UCP histories, later Vemrers, Dands and others too. And doing the PS stories aren't supposed to be rewrites. Do we have actual PS episodes written somewhere? I haven't seen them at least. My own plan now is this: first to write any possible backstories there is (like the race/alliance histories, tech info, character info, etc.), if a backstory already exists I'll review and rewrite any parts that seem require it. After that I'll proceed to write the actual story, which will serve as a backstory to further stories. Any possible old info gets reviewed before every story and either implemented or rewritten depending on the quality, obviously you need to have an idea how to possibly either implement it or rewrite it. As of now we have very little of actual stories of any historical events. Writing same story several times is also something I highly recommend doing.