Talk:First Bacterian War
I've been reviewing this article, and there's some glitches.
It states here: Furthermore, they had to slow down as they encountered two major adversaries, namely the Gigerdians with their Empire and Confederation in the Alpha Quadrant
At the time of the First Bacterian War, the Gigerdians had not yet divided into two different factions. This happened during the first year of the Peace Station project (according to the Gigerdi Historia), and thus the correct government of this time would be the Gigerdi Federation.
And, there's another little "dilemma" on the article about the second war with the Bacterians:
Says here: "About a year before the official abandoning of the Peace Station, the Empire had gathered a tremendous attack fleet in secret Imperial Navy installations."
According to the Gigerdi Historia - bible, the Peace Station era lasted 5 human years (five seasons, and one season per year - much like B5), and thus the 2nd Bacterian War took place during the 3rd year. This article puts the war into the 4th season (year), or somewhere close to it.
- Dalleer
I admit this is entirely my fault - I wasn't very clear on the different Gigerdi governments of the time (Empire? Confederation? Federation?) and the relevant parts should be changed.
As for the Second Bacterian War, I think the time given in the article was more of an educated guess. as it says, "about a year" ... It was based on the corresponding Hemmoian years (five human years equals seven Hemmoian.) Actually now that I look at the timeline, it would place the 2nd BW on the fifth (human) year:
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summary timeline in hemmoian years
3.130: Peace Station completed. Treaty ratified. First ambassadors. "Hub City" mods late this year.
3.131: K'ags Oiduts dies. Hemmoian Federation formed. Collective hacked.
3.132: Votek N'reete becomes ambassador of HFed but is soon killed. Klet Otoe becomes ambassador. Trentad first contact. Dolek 3 Yis'ret becomes ambassador.
3.133: Dolek 3 dies. Ommir Deloot becomes ambassador. Antimaniac first contact. Contact with the Antimaniacs. HFed, Gigerdians, BE fight against shapeshifters.
3.134: "The Ship" discovered. Creation of Ta'mag facilities. Ommir Deloot's gigerdian emperor assassination plot. Deloot fails and is imprisoned on Aldaain. Shok 24 Teenik becomes ambassador. Antimaniacs join HFed. The "time travel" incident (retconned?) Insane Gigerdian Admirals.
3.135: Second Bacterian War. Slaughter of Antimaniac system. Battle of Aldaain. HFed threatens Bacterius. Bacterians forced to retreat.
3.136: Alliance between HFed/GA/BE to fight the Dominion War. Peace Station funding stopped. Station abandoned later this year.
I don't know, this is something of a mess. Is there a reason the Second Bacterian War _needs_ to happen on the third year? If yes, article should be changed. If no, date could be rewritten
- Shok 43 16:29, 5 Oct 2006 (EEST)
Well, I'd say that the 2nd Bacterian War has to happen during the third season of Peace Station, since that's what has been written. However, I'll naturally leave it up to you.
And also, here's a quick sketch of the five years along with their corresponding events:
Pre-PS 1st Bacterian War
PS first season: The Gigerdians divide into two factions.
PS second season: Coming of the Dominion, the Dominion War starts at the very end of the season.
PS third season: Dominion War rages on, 2nd Bacterian War
PS fourth season: some generic stuff, and at the very end the final battle against the Dominion and the formation of the GA. Kyle and Mad Gigerdi also die at the end.
PS fifth season: Introduces some of the new characters in the up-coming storylines i.e. Lydia and Nix Balmorra. Other than that, the 5th season is pretty much a huge filler episode. It naturally ends with the abandoning of the Peace Station.
-Dalleer
There's also some weirdness with the Bacterian wars. From what I understand, the Hemmoians are almost completely destroyed during this first one, but only few years later have built massive fleets and manage to repel the Bacterian invasion. There's no way they could've built their armies so fast. Better to change to first war to not to be so devastating for the Hemmoians. Unless it was only the Orcs that were butchered and the Hemmoians survived.
Bacterians also seem to have very vast fleets and large resources at their disposal to be able to build so many ships in such a short time too.
One possible fix is simply to reduce the damage suffered during the first war. HemmoCruiser incident could happen, for example, if their homeworld was attacked and they had to flee, but were blockaded by Bacterian forces so they couldn't get to their own space and thus had to flee into uncharted territories.
I guess, now that Namgron is planning on starting to write more stuff about the Bacterians, he might have some ideas as to how the war should've actually taken place and generally about the strength of the Bacterians.
--Mad Gigerdi 2 18:46, 15 Aug 2009 (EEST)
the complete destruction (not so complete)
I've rationalized it like this: the United Orcs already had a large number of colonies at that stage (it was after the Colonization Era), and not all were literally wiped clean of life but merely attacked, occupied, or seeded with bioweapons organisms by the Bacterians. also, Aldaain, the homeworld, still had a billion or two people on it, just that they were constantly in the process of being slaughtered under the brutal Bacterian campaign (see: Siege of Aldaain). thus every colony was in disarray and communications links between the colonies broke down. the United Orcs leadership, having fled into space, assumed the worst and thought all the colonies were lost and everyone was dead since they had every reason to believe so, which is why they came up with the plan to evacuate the main galactic plane aboard the HemmoCruiser. thus: HemmoCruiser Incident, but the Delta Quadrant isn't literally wiped clean of life. still, it was clear the Bacterian aim was total genocide, which was a threat grave enough to warrant the Peace Station Project.
the Ollapukkiti Commonwealth was also mostly spared by the First Bacterian War, although their worlds were occupied.
also the Hemmoians/Orcs (mostly) form a single galactic society so they can't really be slaughtered separately
also also, the Bacterians don't really need as much a huge fleet for the First Bacterian War to happen as they need a handful of big technologically superior ships, which they always had
- Shok 45 22:32, 20 Aug 2009 (EEST)
Guess the article could use some clearing up then. I guess this might also depend on the opinion of Namgron, as he is now interested in starting to write all these stuff again. It would just need to be clear that the devastation isn't actually so bad, that they just believed that to be case.
--Mad Gigerdi 2 16:29, 21 Aug 2009 (EEST)
namgron
where is that guy, if he's really interested in rewriting stuff I'd like to discuss my existing ideas for the bacterians with him, does he have msn or something
- Shok 45 14:55, 22 Aug 2009 (EEST)
He's still alive
Namgron is still around, or should we perhaps just call him Ogaer/Rutka or whatever. Anyways, his MSN-address is styke_@hotmail.com, and we visited him a couple of weeks ago. During that time, he said that he was willing to write some stuff down concerning the Bacterians, but naturally he has school n' shit, so he can't make it a priority. He promised to try, which is my best answer regarding his cooperation and commitment with the project at the moment.
I hope releasing such information through a seemingly public medium just as this doesn't cause him any trouble, though.
--Dalleer 20:15, 22 Aug 2009 (EEST)
Since he at least had it publicly available on IRC-G I don't think posting it here is a bad thing. He also mentioned that he already had some things written, but I don't exactly what.
--Mad Gigerdi 2 18:53, 23 Aug 2009 (EEST)
